Friday, October 9, 2009

McChrystal and MacArthurism

15 comments:

TJE said...

This would be a good analogy-- except for the fact that *after* what was called a complete review of strategy, Obama hand picked McChrystal to implement that strategy.

evan said...

The article is talking more about, as I see it, the dangers of the deference we give to military commanders on strategic matters - when their purview is really mostly tactical.

TJE said...

But Obama removed the former commander and replaced him with McChrystal precisely to implement the *President's strategy* after what he called the "completion" of a strategic review.

evan said...

The strategic discussion is currently underway, though, isn't it? We have guys like Biden advocating a limited counterterrorism role, while others are advocating a full court press counterinsurgency strategy.

TJE said...

"On March 27, flanked by his secretaries of defense and state, the president said this: "Today I'm announcing a comprehensive new strategy for Afghanistan and Pakistan." He then outlined a civilian-military counterinsurgency campaign to defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan.

And to emphasize his seriousness, the president made clear that he had not arrived casually at this decision. The new strategy, he declared, "marks the conclusion of a careful policy review."

evan said...

Isn't a strategy review happening again? McChrystal wants to go all-out COIN, and that's giving some people a bad feeling about our approach. If the May strategy now calls for an additional 60,000 or 80,000 troops - 40 to 60 thousand on top of the 20,000 already sent--and that was unforseen at the time, why shouldn't we re-evaluate and see if it's really worth committing that much of a presence there? An unexpected change in human and/or material costs definitely should call for a review of strategy.

TJE said...

Perhaps, but I thought you (and the linked article) were faulting McChrystal. Not sure it's fair to fault the world best counterinsurgency general for trying to do the job that the President appointed him to do six months ago. As for new, new review I think I agree with Charles Krauthammer that I have more trust in the military judgment of Generals Petraous and McChrystal than Generals Biden and Emmanuel.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2009/10/09/young_hamlets_agony_98640.html

evan said...

I have full confidence in our generals' abilities to follow their orders and perform their assigned tasks admirably.

But it's up to the Secretary of Defense and the President's advisers as to how best approach the issue. McChrystal said that if we're going to do a COIN strategy, it will require 60,000 troops. Biden doesn't want to do a COIN strategy. I don't think Biden's input is somehow less relevant simply because he's not in the military. It's a strategic judgment.

The article faulted the response to MacArthur's firing for creating a situation in which our generals are treated as better suited for strategy than they actually are. I agree with that sentiment. I don't doubt McChrystal's ability to execute a counterinsurgency strategy that works extremely well. But it isn't McChrystal's role to say whether or not we should continue a counterinsurgency strategy (and to his credit, he hasn't opined on that.)

TJE said...

But POTUS adopted a counterinsurgency strategy six months ago after a careful review, presumably including VPOTUS. Is six months enough time to assess that strategy. Or is the "good war" no longer the "good war."

evan said...

Obviously some people feel that the decision they made in May was misinformed or wrong. I don't know if it was or if it wasn't. But I really like seeing people think critically about these problems as they are today, not just accepting a past decision as the end of the discussion.

TJE said...

Critical thinking or bowing to pressure from the left flank?

evan said...

Could easily be both, I dunno.

TJE said...

Are you agreeing with Charles K?

TJE said...

Evan, I always learn something from our exchanges, and you always force me to sharpen my thinking. You might find this op-ed interesting

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703298004574459552088369672.html

evan said...

I definitely agree--it's always good to have an engaging debate, especially about important policy issues. And it's good to be sort of forced to see the other side; a survey on one's own is never quite good enough.

I'm not necessarily agreeing with Krauthammer, but I think it would be silly rule political considerations out of this...it certainly could be an issue. But I also think there's an overarching strategic concern of just turning Afghanistan into another Iraq--with the specter of Vietnam always overhead.

That article is interesting, and raises good points about overall regional security. I don't think anyone is arguing that you can achieve the same level of stability with surgical strikes as you can with a large-scale ground presence. Heintz does not really address whether this protected us from al Qaeda directly--it's certainly an effective way to gain intelligence, but is it the only way? Is it even the most effective?

I think a major issue in Afghanistan is that we still don't really know why we're there anymore. Is it to keep the Taliban from coming back? To eradicate al Qaeda? To prevent an unstable Afghanistan from spilling over and destabilizing the nuclear Pakistan? Obviously the initial goal of the operation was to dismantle the Taliban, kill Osama bin Laden, and remove the "safe havens" of al Quaeda in the AfPak region. But we've long since moved past 1, forgotten about 2, and 3 is a long-term continuing process that may never really end. Meanwhile, we're pouring thousands of troops and billions of dollars in there, escalating a war to attain a victory we really can't define.

I think that if our strategic goal is to make Afghanistan a stable state, or a loosely aligned coalition of states (somewhat akin to early Swiss cantons), in order to prevent an extremist Taliban from rising again, we should say so. That sounds like it's the goal of Heintz. And that's a noble goal. The country has been ravaged by years of war, and pouring in relatively small amounts of money would have a huge impact in the wellbeing of its citizens...but I'm not sure that's the path we've chosen.

The solution to this issue is, to steal a phrase from Obama, above my pay grade, I think.