Friday, October 23, 2009

MediaMatters takes on Fox



I enjoyed watching this; it's like the best of FOX crazy over the past 10 months.

11 comments:

TJE said...

Will there be a sequel about Keith Olberman?

Lachlan said...

Or Maddow? Matthews? Couric?

Evan said...
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Evan said...

Katie Couric as a center of liberal media crazy? If only...just because she gave one interview to Palin doesn't make her part of the "liberal media."

I'd really enjoy a takedown piece of Olbermann; he's way too shrill for me, although I do generally like Maddow. Chris Matthews is also crazy, but in a less angry, much funnier way.

Lachlan said...

Yeah, Matthews and Maddow really aren't that bad.

Evan said...

Maddow was more wrong than Matthews was - she let her emotions get the better of her. But religious fundamentalism is religious fundamentalism, and it's always really bad. The religious right in America is a fundamentalist movement that wants to impose a lot of its views on everybody else. The Taliban in Afghanistan is a fundamentalist movement that wants to impose a lot of its views on everybody else. The religious right does not share all its views with the Taliban, but they share the same (extremist) goals.

Do you actually have anything substantial to rebut Matthews' comment, other than that you find it offensive?

Lachlan said...

If you don't see a substantial difference between religious fundamentalists in the United States and the Taliban, than there's nothing I can say. I won't even try.

Evan said...

I see substantial differences, of course. The Religious Right doesn't behead people who are nonbelievers. The Taliban doesn't hold telethons. But Chris Matthews didn't say that the Religious Right is an American Taliban. He said that it's the closest thing we have.

If this is a crazy, beyond-the-pale idea, prove it. But the religious right doesn't exactly preach tolerance; take Bill Donohue:

"Sexual libertines, from the Marquis de Sade to radical gay activists, have sought to pervert society by acting out on their own perversions. What motivates them most of all is a pathological hatred of Christianity. They know, deep down, that what they are doing is wrong, and they shudder at the dreaded words, "Thou Shalt Not." But they continue with their death-style anyway."

And that crap was published in the Washington Post!

If you can't see the similarities between religious fundamentalists in the United States and the Taliban -- the hatred of gays, the desire to impose a religious state in their nation, the desire to convert or remove the "nonbeliever" -- I don't know what I can say, either. I think we may just have to accept that we have our differences and walk away.

Lachlan said...

Yeah there are plenty of sick and bigoted fundamentalists of all religions. What separates them is whether they act on that bigotry. So while they all may detest homosexuality, do they stone homosexuals? They may all believe in a subservient role for women, but do they require 3 witnesses to validate claims of rape? They may all indoctrinate their children from birth with hateful beliefs, but do they indoctrinate them to slaughter those who don't hold those beliefs? Action, not belief, is where the substantive difference lies.

Evan said...

You're very correct; thankfully, the religious right doesn't go around doing any of those things. But didn't you also just validate Chris Matthews? He said that the group which most resembles the Taliban in America is the Religious Right. I think you kind of echoed that.

Lachlan said...

We're going to have to agree to disagree here. There is, I believe, such a huge gap between groups that promote bigotry and groups that act on it, that comparing them is beyond the pale of reality.